The Ten Most Common Misconceptions about Islam

by Absar on May 23, 2011 · 124 comments

in Editor's Picks, Religion

Islam is probably the least understood and most demonized religion today.  The critics of Islam have created this persona based primarily on misconceptions, ignorance and malice.  You’ve probably heard of some of the following common misconceptions about Islam.

Misconception # 1: Violence and Terrorism is the Muslim Creed

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Islam and Muslims have become synonymous with terms like terrorism, extremism and fundamentalism.  The involvement of some so-called Muslims in the acts of terrorism in the past few decades does not justify the labeling of a whole faith and its people as terrorists.  Nobody called Timothy McVeigh a Christian terrorist after the Oklahoma bombing in the 90’s, neither is the IRA labeled as a Christian terrorist group, so why is it that when a Muslim does something wrong it is the fault of his religion?

Apparently, logical arguments do not carry any weight in this debate, which is fueled by sensationalism and vested interests at the highest levels of governments.  Citing verses of the Qur’an out of the context is the favorite tactic of the proponents of this misconception.  There are several verses in the Qur’an that clearly state the opposite of this misconception.  For example, “Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits.  God does not love transgressors.” (Qur’an 2:190).  Another verse says, “If they seek peace, then seek you peace.” (Qur’an 8:61)

Misconception #2: Jihad Means Killing Non-Muslims

If opposition to Islam can be summarized today in one word, it is ‘Jihad’; the all-inclusive term for Islam bashing.  Disregarding its true meaning and historical perspective, jihad is decisively equated with the violence that has been perpetrated in the last few decades in the name of Islam by individuals.  There are several forms of Jihad; an armed struggle which may involve killing the enemy is ‘Qital’, which is considered by most non-Muslims to be the only form of Jihad.  However, according to Islam, one of the most important types of ‘Jihad’ is ‘Jihad bil nafs’ (struggle against the self), every other struggle stems out of this. Jihad bil nafs involves constantly struggling to overcome and control our animal desires.

Misconception #3: Women are Oppressed in Islam

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Saving Muslim women from the ‘tyranny’ of Islam is one of the favorite rallying cries of the people who consider Islam an evil force.  Just like many other misdeeds wrongly attributed to Islam rather than to the individuals who commit them, unfair treatment of women is also considered to be the Islamic way of treating women.  Setting aside the malicious propaganda, the reason behind this misconception is probably the fact that Islamic teachings about the role, responsibilities, status and treatment of women are judged according to the western practices and beliefs.  If anything, Islam liberated the women in Arabia by giving them rights that were unheard of at that time in most nations.  The stereotype of veil wearing, home-bound Muslim woman is used to argue that women are oppressed.  However, this viewpoint is completely devoid of the knowledge of the status and rights of Muslim women.  If we look into how other major religions look at women, we will find surprising revelations.  In the New Testament, St. Paul declares, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I don’t permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.” In contrast, this is what Qur’an has to say, “Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily to him/her we will give a new life that is good and pure, and we will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.” (16:97)

The right to hold property is considered to be fundamental for human beings, yet no major religion other than Islam actually allowed women to have property.  Not only this but Muslim women have full control of their property and their husbands have no share in it. 

Misconception #4: Muslims don’t Believe in Jesus

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Many Christians are made to believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) and other prophets are not considered by Muslims as God’s messengers.  A cursory reading of Qur’an or other Islamic literature shows that Muslims remember all of the prophets mentioned in the Christian and Judaic scriptures with great respect and reverence.  Jesus has been mentioned in Qur’an in several places such as “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God.  He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.”(Qur’an chapter 3)

 

 

Misconception #5: Propagation of Islam is the result of Force

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This misconception may be the result of making wrong inferences from the early Islamic history about the expansion of the Muslim state up to the time of Caliph Umar Farooq.  The Muslim state indeed spread very quickly in the early years, but the conversion to Islam was never forced upon the people of the conquered territories.   If anything, the Qur’an instructs Muslims to deal with them in a kind and just manner “God forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just.” (Qur’an 60:8).  The most clear-cut statement against conversion by force or coercion comes straight from the Qur’an, “There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam)” (2:256)

The comments of T.W. Arnold on this matter are evidence of the folly of this misconception “… of any organized attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain ….So that the very survival of these Churches to the present day is a strong proof of the generally tolerant attitude of the Mohammedan governments towards them.”

Another historian De lacey O’Leary also negates this myth, “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”

Furthermore, it must be pointed out that Muslims ruled and fully controlled India for 800 years and Egypt for even longer than that. Yet the vast majority of the population in India remains Hindu till today, and a small minority of Coptic Christians remains in Egypt today. If Muslims practiced forced conversions there is no way such communities could have survived for over a millennium.

Misconception #6: Islam is Intolerant of Other Religions

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Religious intolerance is high on the charge-sheet against Islam and Muslims.  Many non-Muslims believe that Islam does not tolerate other religions and it instructs Muslims to kill all the infidels.  Equating the actions of a handful of bad apples with the teachings of Islam about people of other faiths is a grave injustice.   There are numerous examples throughout Islamic history that clearly show the extent of religious tolerance in Islam.  What could better exemplify it than the verses from the Qur’an and ahadith of Muhammad (pbuh).

There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam)” (2:256)

Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Sunnan Abu Dawud)

Misconception #7: Muslims are Savages with no Regard for Culture and Civilization

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Many texts portray Muslims as uncivilized and barbaric people but nothing could be further from the truth.  Even a cursory glance at history proves otherwise.  War is one instance where showing no mercy is considered to be a tactic.  Islam, on the other hand, does not allow Muslim armies to mutilate the dead, kill children or elderly, destroy crops, trees, livestock etc., demolish buildings, harm civilians and break agreements/pacts.  With clear rules of engagement like these for war, it would be grossly unfair to call Muslims barbaric.

The influence and contributions of Muslims towards culture and science are widely known and acknowledged by scholars.  “It is highly probable that but for the Arabs, modern European civilization would never have arisen at all; it is absolutely certain that but for them, it would not have assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend all previous phases of evolution,” Robert Briffault, a social anthropologist.

Misconception #8: Islam was founded by Muhammad (peace be upon him)

Despite an abundance of literature on Islam, there are some who believe that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) founded Islam and Muslims worship him as well as Allah.  Any serious attempt to learn about Islam will right away debunk this misconception.  In order to enter into the fold of Islam, a person must pronounce the Shahadah (the testimony of faith); the meaning of which is

“I bear witness that there is no God worthy of worship except Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad (SAW) is His slave and messenger”..

Also in chapter 33 of the Qur’an it is stated, “O Prophet, verily We have sent you as a witness and a bearer of glad tidings and a warner and as one who invites unto God by His leave and as an illuminating lamp.”

Misconception #9: At least Four Wives for Muslim Men

Some aspects of Muslim culture have been universally accepted as the defacto standard such as four wives for Muslim men.  Most westerners believe that every Muslim has a ‘harem’ with at least four wives.  First of all, it should be clearly understood that it is an option not a compulsion.  There are social and cultural reasons behind the practice of polygamy which can only be understood with the knowledge of Arab society at that time.  There are strict conditions that must be met such as equal treatment of the wives.  It surprises me that the people who make a huge fuss about polygamy in Islam, have no issue with promiscuity in western cultures where extra-marital relationships and children born out of wedlock are accepted with open arms.

Misconception #10: The Crescent and Star is the Symbol of Islam

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It is a common misconception even among Muslims that the crescent moon and star is the official symbol of Islam.  However, in the days of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Muslims did not have a symbol and they used solid-colored flags.  In fact, the crescent was adopted as a symbol by the Turks during Ottoman Empire’s conquest of Constantinople.

hiba June 15, 2011 at 11:44 am

MashAllah!! jazaakAllah khair brother for writing this. I am going to have to share this with my family. I am a new revert to Islam and this will be very beneficial in answering the ridiculous comments that my family throws at me. Allahu Akbar!!

Var_Rose June 15, 2011 at 4:37 am

I am addressing to those brothers and sisters (irrespective of any faith or ideology) trying to make their point /suggestions/opinions in the forum on the matter of any religion ………..
‘What are your intensions when you enter a forum for discussion on a Religious Matter?’ Is it:
1) Are you trying to prove your superiority of your faith/belief over others or impose your beliefs?
2) Do you want to explore ones ideology while on Inter religious dialogue /debate over a topic….. ?
3) Simply praise the Author for posting a good article which you could not possibly write…?
4) Contradict or be critical of ones ideology ….?
5) Dont give a Damn about any thing …just make your point….?
6) Really willing to learn and get knowledge and bring their undersanding into practice…?
7) Just surfing through comments ….to check who has made his/her point well placed as a mere spectator….?
8) Abuse and Maline Critics…?

Having answered anyone of the above question….I have yet another question
….but before that , please realise that you proclaim to have the way of life or your goal in life which you have answered .

still getting puzzled …… answer this

Do you claim to be a good human being than others ?

Yes:Dont judge your self let others think that of you …..Proof it atleast once in your life span … not to show off others atleast to your ownself….. If you have brought a smile on someones face then you may think that your prayers are Answered and Goals fulfilled to be a Good Human being atleast…….

No: Its your time to be one…… start working on it? Life is too short for mere discussion…

In the end I would like to say to everyone ‘ Please clear your Intensions !!!!’

Thanks for your time……. I was fulfilling my goals to be a better human being!! :-)

CopticChristian June 15, 2011 at 2:15 am

I am not going to say my opinions on all of the points that have been brought up but I would like to clarify one thing. Although some Copts in a mostly Coptic Egypt did willingly convert to Islam due to the enormous tax they were ford to pay simply for being Christian, it is historical fact that the Copts between 622 – 1021 ad were indeed forced into Islam. The popes and monks during this time were imprisoned, whole villages were pillaged, they were flogged and branded, their houses and property were taken from them, they had limbs amputated and were fired from their jobs, thy were forced into the dessert without any food or water. They were slaughtered in every sense of the word. Even the Muslim historian al-makrizi said “From that time they were in subjection throughout the Egyptian territory, and their power was definitely crushed. None of them had the power to revolt or even resist the government; the Muslims were in the majority in the villages.” My point is although it may not be the intention of Islam to force conversions it is something that has happened in history. I am a Coptic Christian Egyptian and I must be honest when I say I am nervous for my fellow Copts living in Egypt as we speak for the future is not very optimistic as far as a true free Egypt with rights for all of it’s citizens and not just it’s Muslim majority.

Jordan June 14, 2011 at 11:48 pm

I am currently living in the West and found this article to be enlightening. What I would like to stress is we spend too much energy explaining our differences instead of coming together on our similarities.

ASSAN June 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm

MASHALLAH…JASA KUMULLAHU KHAIRAN…may ALLAHU subhana watala reward u in abundance…

abdus saboor June 14, 2011 at 6:20 pm

Most importantly to note that in the early days of Islam, women had right to own property and do business. this was the case at the time of the Holy Prophet himself, whereas in western societies, even in Britain, as late as the twentieth century women did not have the right to own property. everything belonged either to their father or husband. it’s only recently that they have amended their laws to give more freedom to their women. still some ignorant people say that women have no freedom in Islam. can there be a great injustice than this?

Sarah June 14, 2011 at 6:15 pm

OMG; ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT ARTICLE… COUDNT POSSIBLY PUT THOSE POINTS IN A BETTER WAY.. JAZAAKALLAH WHOEVER WROTE THIS AND IF AFTER THIS ARTICLE PEOPLE ARE STILL ”SKEPTIC” ABOUT ISLAM THEN THEIR TAPPED IN THE HEAD… AND US MUSLIMS KNOW MORE ABOUT OUR RELIGION THAT OTHERS SO THEY CANT JUDGE US LIKE THAT; BESIDES MANY NON-MUSLIM MOTHERS THAT HAVE REVERT SONS AGREE THAT EVER SINCE THEY REVERTED TO ISLAM THEIR MANNERS, VIEWS AND GOALS HAVE BECOME MUCH MORE FRUITFUL AND RESPECTFUL THAN EVER… ALLAHU AKBAR; ONE SACRED RELIGION YOU’VE GOT THEIR PEOPLE.. FOLLOW IT AS IT SHOULD BE…

Hatice June 14, 2011 at 5:13 pm

Before ISLAM women and little girls are treated badly, they are opressed in the jahiliyya period.This is a case which make all people ashamed.I personally do feel sad for those bad things done in the past but I thank God because He sent us Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him), gave us the most beautiful religion ever and prevented all these oppressions.

Abubakar Magaji June 14, 2011 at 4:52 pm

Assalam,
Actually i am glad to be enlighten.And everything has been discussed.But i will just add a little bit.regarding the issue of women Are deprived of their right.When we re -bounced back to jahiliyya period, the women are been prosecuted mysteriously.But with the arriving of Islam, everything has been putting to rest.Thank you.

Hatice June 14, 2011 at 4:38 pm

This article is really helpful for those people who have some questions about Islam because it explains some points which confuse them.It’s an irrefutable fact that Islam is being misunderstood by many people because of ignorance. We can cope with this ignorance by reading,enlightenment,awareness and broadening our mind.Let’s share these misconceptions with as many people as we could. Perhaps we may give an answer to their questions.Remember! Ignorance is the reason for being a non-Muslim.

ABDUL June 14, 2011 at 3:35 pm

THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS MUSLIM,GOD BLESS YOU. SIR,MY QUESTION, IS TO KNOW WHEN A MUSLIM AND THE CONDITION WARRANT HIM TO GO ON JIHAD ACCORDING TO THE QURAN.

Atif Khan June 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm

Hats off to Mr.Absar Kazmi what a wonderfull job you did. Mashallah can u tell how can i get to the article you posted regularly on internet & if you have any page on Facebook than plz let me now.
Thank You
May Allah Bless you

Zopfan June 14, 2011 at 3:17 pm

Assalamualaikum w.b.t

Sesungguhnya tiada guna kamu berdebat dengan mereka yang tidak mengakui agama Allah S.W.T itu adalah agama yang benar dan Nabi Muhammad S.A.W itu adalah pesuruh Allah kerana sudah jelas dan nyata di dalam Al-Quran Surah Al-Baqarah ayat ke-6, Allah S.W.T menyebut:

“Sesungguhnya orang-orang kafir (yang tidak akan beriman), sama sahaja kepada mereka: sama ada engkau beri amaran kepadanya atau engkau tidak beri amaran, mereka tidak akan beriman.”

Biarlah mereka dengan ‘iman’ mereka dan biarlah kita selaku hamba kepada Allah Yang Maha Esa berserah kepada-Nya dan melakukan apa yang di suruh oleh Nya dan meninggalkan segala larangan-Nya. Insya-Allah, kita yang beriman kepada Allah dan Rasul-Nya akan mendapat petunjuk dan hidayah daripada Allah S.W.T.

Insya-Allah.

Moosa Khan June 14, 2011 at 2:46 pm

First of all, I really appreciate the facts have been placed in the right way. But unfortunately, its because of some uneducated Muslims who lack knowledge about their own religion have led to this criticism.

Even today, ask to some other Muslim, “Why are you a Muslim?” he/she has no clue! but do we know why we are Muslims or why do we follow Islam? Sorry to say this, its because of lack of knowledge about our won religion. We are lusty towards learning things which lead nowhere. Back then the Arabs we considered to be the most knowledgeable people in the world they had the power of Qur’an. They’ve invented so many things but no one knows about it. Today we only know that Galileo invented telescope and he was the one who told the earth rotates around the sun. This has been mentioned in Qur’an, centuries before when Galileo was not even born.

This is only one of the examples from many such fact. More can be provided if anyone is interested.

“Knowledge can never be lost. The more you share the more you gain!!!”

Fila June 14, 2011 at 2:33 pm

Very good article indeed! Let’s continue to educate the ignorance. Nothing sadder than having your muslims brethren to have the same misconception towards the greatest gift from Allah i.e. Islam

Ramsha June 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Loved it!

Bilal Afridi June 14, 2011 at 1:47 pm

Jazak Allah Khair,
Beautiful Article, highly aprreciated

Abdulhakeem June 14, 2011 at 1:28 pm

Masha Allah…May Allah bless the author and we the readers with Aljannah Firdaus…and may He also increase our knowledge about Islam and our Iman too.

Jazakallahu Khairan

James June 14, 2011 at 12:58 pm

What I find most deplorable is the fact that some people who are downright discriminative (in general) and racist are those who gather info on Islam only from sources created and maintained by those aiming at smearing Islam and its followers. Not too mention, since the “West” literally has major control over global information system, thus Islam has also been “interpreted” by Western standard as well. Some interpretations are indeed objective..but the rest are subjective. Those who study or have studied ‘media’ in academic setting will know what media can do in shaping and manipulating people perceptions…
I hope that people will reflect the way treat others and the way they see themselves. It is time to grow mature, broad-minded, and happy :)

arshiya ali khan June 14, 2011 at 12:53 pm

dear brother pls give me some good strong valid points to make people aware of why they should not go to dargas and believe that it is not a part of our ritual.

tania m June 14, 2011 at 12:38 pm

Misconception #11: Muslims are arabs

I dont know the statistics but I read there are more muslims on the asian continent then in the middle east/north africa. I myself being italian canadian :)

Hasan June 14, 2011 at 11:56 am

Thank you all for participating. At this point we feel that it is in the best interests of everyone that we close the comments on this article. The original intent for inviting comments on this article was in order to have an open, friendly, fruitful discussion, where people who are seeking after the truth of Islam may pose their questions. The idea was for people to come to understand one another so that many misconceptions could be put to rest.

However, over the past few weeks it has become clear that just the opposite has begun to happen. Many people have begun arguing it seems simply to defend their own preconceived notions rather than being open to considering other perspectives and arriving at the truth. Others have started using this forum to hurl insults at one another’s faiths. This is ethically and morally wrong, and moreover it is forbidden in Islam.

I will just close off this discussion with a few necessary clarifications:

1. Temporary Marriages/Mutaa – I am not sure why this issue was brought up, as anyone who has a basic understanding of Islam and its history knows that such practices are forbidden in Islam. Just as alcohol, interest and other practices were initially permitted in Islam because they were so deeply ingrained in Arab culture, similar is the case of temporary marriages. However, soon this practice was explicitly forbidden by the Prophet (PBUH) along with alcohol, interest, etc. The Qur’an doesn’t speak on mutaa at all, so there is no reason to make such accusations that the Qur’an permitted it. If some misguided Muslims practice it still, then many Muslims also drink alcohol, partake in interest, commit adultery, and many other sinful acts. There is no way to justify such practices by using the Qur’an.

2. Islam brought nothing new – Again, this is just repeating what we have been trying to emphasize all along. It is absolutely true that Islam didn’t bring anything incredibly new because as with all Prophets of the past, the mission of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was to renew the pure original religion that was revealed by God to man. All Prophets were sent to call man back to his original purpose of creation: to worship God alone and not associate anything else with him, i.e. Tauheed. All the prophets of the past were commanded to establish prayer and give charity and most were commanded to fast. However, as we pointed out earlier, each of the earlier prophets was sent to a specific group or nation, but Muhammad (PBUH) was sent to all of mankind. He was the ‘Mercy to all the worlds’. And the Qur’an was as itself declares: ‘A remembrance for all the worlds’. This was the only difference. Of course the Arabs knew who Allah is even before the advent of Muhammad (PBUH)… however they had begun worshiping idols along with Allah, that is what the problem was. Again there was no need to argue on this issue.

3. Sexual relations in Paradise – Please understand… Islam is the natural faith (Al-Deen ul Fitrah). The faith which is in complete harmony with human nature. Thus, it does not call upon man to become a monk and suppress his natural human desires, rather it guides man to what is the best way for fulfilling those desires. Therefore, Islam does not look upon sex as something bad or ungodly or something to be ashamed of. Rather it encourages men and women to procreate in a manner which is in the best interests of themselves and their society. It encourages men and women to enjoy each other and enjoy sexual relations in the holy institution of marriage. However it forbids adultery and fornication, because both of these things are harmful to the family as well as to the society at large. So Muslims have no problem with sexual relations in Paradise. in fact I find it strange that someone would suggest this as something bad. Sex is one of the things that human being enjoy most on earth, so what is wrong with looking forward to it in Paradise?? If God has allowed sex on earth, why should He forbid it in Paradise??

4. If a majority of people hold a certain opinion about a group of people, then that opinion becomes fact – Whoever really believes in this sort of logic, I honestly feel very sorry for them and sincerely pray that they go out into the world, meet people from backgrounds, and hopefully this will help them to change their opinion. If people just stuck to this sort of logic, then it would have been a fact that all Muslims are Arab, all Jews only care about money, all blacks are stupid and God knows what else. I hope whoever wrote that takes the time to reflect and reconsider on this logic.

5. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim – Again. I am at a loss for words with this logic. But I will try and respond. If you take the time to look, you will find that there are many many organizations that have been labeled as terrorists by major world governments and these organizations have nothing at all to do with Islam. The IRA, FARC, the ANC, and a number of others spring to mind immediately. However, I do hope that the person who made this comment goes a bit further to determine why it is that such organizations have been labeled as terrorists. If Robin Hood was alive today, he would have been labeled as a terrorist. Why? Because although he was working for the good of the people, this was against the interests of the powers that be. Similarly was the case with Che Guevera, Sitting Bull, Malcolm X, Bantu Steven Biku, William Wallace, Umar Mukhtar and numerous others. They were called terrorists because they refused to bow down to oppression and imperialism. They were called terrorists and extremists because they fought for their rights, but this was not in the interests of those in power. Similarly many Muslims today are called terrorists because they refuse to bow down and be ruled by Western appointed dictators, because they refuse to be pushed off the their lands by foreign occupiers, and because they refuse to being told what they should and what they should not believe by Godless, secular foreigners.

Finally, I would remind all those reading this that you can argue all you want, but on the Day of Judgement it will be each of us standing in front of God alone. And we won’t be able to argue with Him. He knows what is in my heart and what is in your heart. He knows which of us has been asking questions sincerely seeking the truth about Him, and which of us has been doing it only to argue, or to show off how much knowledge we have, or simply to level insults at one another. I request everyone, especially myself to Fear God before making statements about Him.

John A. David June 13, 2011 at 5:54 pm

@Menj,

Well, you are right about having sex in heaven, that is the core of your religion anyways. your 70 figures are all in your ahadiat, you can’t even pray properly without them. And by the way whatever happened to all the contradicting ahadiat, well man made things do tend to go wrong. there is no way to justify corruptibility in heaven, no matter how you try to defend it.

By your 10 years in Judeo-Christianity, you think that makes you an authority….yawn yawn yawn. But frankly if Bedouins could get a hook of your teachings, I do not think anyone else would need any sheikh to learn it, no rocket science there, its a small book anyway. By the way what happened to tafsirs other than you listed, those that tend to contradict these, I think you just happened to skip those, what a shame.

About personal insults, I don’t care what you say. Say all you like. I really do not mind that. About your claims about me, you really can read minds and thoughts? bravo for that. Who made you God?

You have not still refuted logically anyone of my criticisms, just booing off doesn’t make you right. I can play that game too, but sorry I am not your type. I don’t want to be either. I thank God I am not a Muslim, and I am proud that my family converted from Muslims, I couldn’t stand these materialistic practices either. God is holy, if you’re having sex in heaven, well, you go all the way around it and the best so called reason you had was, well its alright with you. As i said before, that is the best answer you can give. lol as a matter of fact it is the only answer you have, no wonder people look at these practices as disgusting. You are as honest as your options bud.

Mut’ta and misyar are conflicts among shi’s and sunni’s, and they have expiry dates to begin with. people in the middle east call it pimping under the umbrella, the fact that it is backed up by religious teachings.

I am not attacking Islam, Islam is attacking Islam, and that is why the world is becoming disgusted by it. So what you say, doesn’t hold any weight in light of the fact that you are showing the world your teachings practically. Good luck with that..

why would you make it a contest on, “barking up the wrong tree”…lol…you are typical Muslim aren’t you, picking up a fight, (ooops, jihad) the first chance you get.

But anyways, keep up the silly six year old reasoning .You are quite good at it. This kind of talk wouldn’t even hold for 5 minutes in an educated crowd.

There is a reason me and Absar ended it the better way around, but your type just wants to muddy the issue. hell, go on, the points you are raising are common knowledge among us, we have our way to do things. And mind you we are the world’s largest religion, I wouldn’t even take your rambling seriously had it not been for respect that I show to people who can’t logically reason.

I closed this case long ago, but you just couldn’t hold your ego, anyways, not my problem. I can sleep easily, end of story. And too bad that the response you might write back will straight go to my junk folder, I can see that it is right there where your reasoning actually belongs, bud.

menj June 14, 2011 at 11:39 am

For “John A. David”:

Sorry bub, you are not going to back out that easily without me firing the salvo. As at the moment, you have still failed to respond or answer to the gross misdirections that you have earlier introduced in the post that I originally replied to you, namely:

1. Your claim that “…the oldest copies of the new testament are from the 1st century A.D”.

Status: FALSE CLAIM. No such “copy” exists. The oldest Mss are from the SECOND CENTURY and the oldest among them is the P52 Mss, of which is no bigger than a credit card. The official name for that papyrus is “John Rylands P457″, which anyone can find simply by using Google.

This particular claim of yours, when taken to task by yours truly, mysteriously “disappeared” in the latter two posts of yours. Now I wonder, wonder why?

2. Another claim of yours: “please also cite references of quran about the changing of Bible.”

Status: ANSWERED. Qur’an, 2:77-79 was quoted to you but “strangely” (or come to think of it, not too strange after all), you wanted to turn yourself into a Sheikh and started disputing the evidence. And this is despite Ibn Kathir, commenting on this verse, described exactly the opposite of what you are claiming. So does Al-Jalalayn. And so does Al-Wahidi. The list goes on.

How is this verse made to infer that “I would say you had to stretch it very far to imply that. It could have been for your sahabi’s, anyone.” is a rather silly assumption to make (not to mention an anachronism). Clearly you have not been reading the Qur’an at all and have instead been relying on whatever Christian missionary material that you come across and, thinking you can fool the Muslims, elected yourself to become an “expert” on Islam. Sorry dude, that isn’t going to work!

There is more, but I think you would have to account for thse two first, not to mention your lack of response to the promise made by Jesus that he will be giving you PIRATE TREASURE in Paradise (Matthew 19:21). So let me see, you are a Christian because you have a lust for PIRATE TREASURE?

Three major points still left unanswered by you. Now let’s move on to the rest of your latest silly innuendos here:

“Well, you are right about having sex in heaven, that is the core of your religion anyways.”

Actually you are quite mistaken. Sex is not the core of Islam, but it is in Christianity. For example, Ezekiel 23 has some of the most lurid details ever known, it is something you shouldn’t allow your children to read. Why not recite THIS PASSAGE in public, and see what happens?

Ezekiel 23:19-20 “Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.”

So it seems that you are quite off the mark when you say that sex is the core of Islam.

“your 70 figures are all in your ahadiat”

LOL. At first I thought this was a typo or a spelling error but you have used this word “ahadiat”, “ahadiat” quite frequently throughout this page as well. So it seems you do really think that this word “AHADIAT” exists. Sorry to break it to you, dude, but THERE IS NO SUCH WORD “AHADIAT” USED IN ARABIC OR ISLAMIC LITERATURE. Since you self-styled yourself as the so-called “expert” in Islam, I won’t be revealing to you what the real, correct word is. I’ll leave it to your great prowess and intellect in Islamic studies to figure out what is the correct term used by Muslims when describing the body of traditions reported from the Prophet, upon whom be peace.

So sorry sir, there are no “70 figures” in “my ahadiat” because there never was such a thing called “Ahadiat”!

“By your 10 years in Judeo-Christianity, you think that makes you an authority”

Speak for yourself, “Ahadiat” (ROTFL!) expert….making up terms and self-styling yourself as an “Islamic expert” isn’t something that is going to win you brownie points.

“About personal insults, I don’t care what you say.”

And since when do I care about what YOU have to say?

As for this message being “spam inboxed” by you, here’s another surprise for you…I am not emailing you at all, I don’t even know your e-mail address, so how can you “spam inbox” my e-mails?? Another ROTFL. I am leaving this comment on this page for the benefit of Muslims and non-Muslims who may come across this page and after reading this exchange, will realise how silly you really look throughout this “conversation”, starting with the gross IGNORANCE about non-existent “first century NT Mss (LOL!), and your nonsensical interpretation of Qur’an, 2:77-79 (double LOL!) and yes, what about the PIRATE TREASURE in Paradise that you Christians are lusting after? Arrr…

I have to say, however, that the “Ahadiat” nonsense really takes the cake (ROTFL!). It really shows your real “expertise” in Islam…which is nil.

Go ahead and sleep well, because by the time you wake up, people would have finished reading this comment from me and they will come to realise that you are just an ignorant person who doesn’t even know that the word “Ahadiat” doesn’t exist at all in Islamic lexicon (among other things).

Anonymous June 10, 2011 at 10:37 am

When there is a widespread view which goes in sync about a particular community to the rest of the world..it doesn’t remain a myth anymore..all such beliefs come from hard facts being seen over many years by the people from other communities..and the very reason why such articles are being written is because, these beliefs (called as “myths” here by the writer himself) are nothing else but facts or truths..

I agree to the insights given by Ecks to a greater extent..The idea is not to create a negative feeling here, but to convey the message to the writer or the rest who agree is that, don’t try to justify yourself..because you don’t have to..the more you try to justify your community or religion, the more obvious it is that somewhere deep down you too understand that you are incorrect..Surprisingly, I can’t seem to find a single non-muslim person who has read and agreed to the pointers mentioned in the article..!

I myself am not religious by nature..I m more of a spiritual person..and I encourage the idea of realizing the power of one’s own spirituality than preaching your own religion to others. I look at God as one power..be it Allah, Christ or Krisna etc.

Someone above tried to justify saying that women in islam are liberated and hence they are not accountable to men and rather only to God. If tht’s the case, why doesn’t the religion allow women to stay and lead a liberal life without barring them within hijabs? all your reasoning looks really immature, illogical and unethical to the rest of the world. Even many muslim friends of mine who have logical minds condemn this idea.

And again it’s been said above while defending the belief of violence in Islam, that this world would have been a much more peaceful place to live if all were from Islam. By saying that you are trying to put down the rest of the communities and religions and putting up your ignorant and violent side to others. Having said that, do you have a justification for the fact that why “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims!?”

There will be rather stronger evidences and prominent facts and ideologies coming from your own beliefs and religion which can be put against you and your justifications which you are trying to portray above. So, better not try to show the whole world that you are the best and the rest are worst. Learn to appreciate everyone, every religion and community, open up your mind, move with time and only then you will earn appreciation for your own community and religion!

menj June 11, 2011 at 9:52 am

Replying to Anonymous:

“When there is a widespread view which goes in sync about a particular community to the rest of the world..it doesn’t remain a myth anymore..all such beliefs come from hard facts being seen over many years by the people from other communities”

I wonder why you have so much time on your hands writing such a long winded sentence when all you could say is “I read the article but I don’t believe a word of it because other people also believe the myths that the article was trying to answer”?

Might as well come clean and be honest with yourself. Your prejudices about Islam has blinded you to such an extent that you are willing to actually believe the lies said about it, instead of having an open mind and see the other side of the fence. That attitude is very much in contrast to what you claim about yourself, that:

“I m more of a spiritual person..and I encourage the idea of realizing the power of one’s own spirituality than preaching your own religion to others.”

That self-description of yourself also sounds hollow when you went ahead lambasting Muslim women who wear the hijab (head-cover):

“Someone above tried to justify saying that women in islam are liberated and hence they are not accountable to men and rather only to God. If tht’s the case, why doesn’t the religion allow women to stay and lead a liberal life without barring them within hijabs?”

Why should Islam allow women to stay uncovered when it risks exposing them to harm and various social problems that will cause them to be regarded as mere sex objects? The reality of this world is that women who do not guard their modesty are used and treated less than a human being…despite the claims of those who say those who choose to wear hijab are “unliberated”. What benefit is there for a woman to walk around topless on the streets, when she will become easy prey for every sex predator out there? This talk of “liberation” and “freedom” for women who wear sexy attire is nothing more than sexist, intended to feed the ego of men who actually enjoy such things.

Deny it all you want, but between a woman who wears a hijab and a woman who goes topless, which you will choose as a target? The answer is quite obvious.

“do you have a justification for the fact that why “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims!?”

Last I checked, the ETA, Tamil Tigers, IRA and other such groups are not Muslims. And yet they are in the CIA’s list of terrorist groups. So how such an adage be considered true?

- MENJ

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